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Frank Mir talks about loss to Shane Carwin – Cyberaxis reflections on the interview


First of all, it is clear, upon closer analysis, that the Shane Carwin pummeling and loss did a major number on Frank – a big part of which had to do with the way he set himself up going into this fight (physically, mentally and emotionally) on top of the Lesnar/UFC public relations albatross he hung around his own neck. The fact of the matter – if you analyze the language, body and otherwise – is that he is devastated and not yet out of the woods on this one.  Think Rashad Evans after Machida – but with the detritus of his pre-fight antics still in the air.  Mir is ultra subdued and this picture is worth a thousand words.

The fact that it took him this long to even talk about his UFC 111 loss  speaks volumes about the wallop he took from it.  But the humility, whether enforced or not, is a tad more becoming than the unmoored smack-talking before the fight.  In certain ways it hacks back to the man  Frank Mir could be – the man we praised in the pre-UFC 81 article here. But that is were the commendable stuff ends.

Everything else in this short interview makes little sense. Take your time. Listen to it and then come back. If his breakdown of the fight doesn’t leave you scratching your head, then we don’t know what will.   Is the man we once thought of  as one of the most cerebral in the octagon  a one trick pony reduced to learning one thing per fight?

It became a problem of over-training for one aspect. I was so obsessed with not being taken down . You can see when he shot on me I was so appeased  with myself, I said look you can’t take me down.  You are an excellent wrestler  and I think I was just celebrating mentally saying hey look, I can avoid the takedown. I have improved my game.  I forgot about being punched in the face. (Frank Mir to David Stanford, Edmonton, Canada, MMACanada.Net)

A stunning revelation considering that Frank had had to move his head out of the way a couple of times after  being hit with sneaky rights in the clinch position.  Unbelievable.  We think  Frank was just talking off the cuff and trying his loquacious best explain away a fight in which he did most things wrong. He cannot win if he goes into fights with one plan and fails to adapt on the fly. He should have realized the danger he was in when Carwin kept roughing up  his knees and pummeling his face with sneaky rights in the clinch position.  The ultra-relaxed demeanor is what partly got him in trouble when he found himself underneath a hyper-aggressive Brock Lesnar at UFC 100. What gives here? Never let them see you sweat? Sheesh!

Is the big revelation of the interview that he cannot win as a “muscle-head”, and need to take more of his chances as a tactical fighter? Sorry. Been tried before – and by a fighter who is perhaps a better all-round heavyweight than him: Randy Couture. And he fared only marginally better. Ditto the Texas Crazy Horse.  Our conclusion? Interviews are not gonna help Frank Mir in the interim. A better PR strategy would be to remain mum and let his fists do all the talking – but that would be like asking Frank to quit gabbing without the benefit of a rehabilitatory half-way house.

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The Trouble With Frank Mir: Divergent Ways of Dealing with Post-fight Trauma


Frank Mir was a certifiable trash talker until yesterday. With the ” I want to break (Lesnar’s) neck in the ring. I want him to be the first person that dies due to octagon-related injuries” Frank Mir crossed a line that could make for an anecdotal case for having one’s head examined.

“A lot of individuals are so worried about being politically correct,” Mir said in a radio interview. “I’d rather go ahead and say what’s on my mind than to sit there and come up with some PC ‘Oh, the guy is a great fighter and I have a lot of respect for him.’ If I don’t mean it, why is it even coming out of my mouth?”

“I want to fight Lesnar. I hate who he is as a person. I want to break his neck in the ring. I want him to be the first person that dies due to Octagon-related injuries. That’s what’s going through my mind.” (Frank Mir with Mark Madden, Radio Interview)

That Frank’s remark was highly impolitic, regardless of what other purpoted trash-talkers have said in the past,  goes without saying – which is why the UFC came down hard on him (More on this later on.) The public significance of that is now moot. Frank has apologized, but not before  being publicly lambasted as a “(bleeping) idiot” by Dana White. These are sensitive times:

“Mir is a [expletive] idiot! I have never heard something so unprofessional and idiotic in my life,” (Dana White with Carmichael Dave of KHTK,  Sacramento, CA)

The remark was out of line – even when you listen to it in the context of the interview Mir had with Madden:

What does it say about Frank’s frame of mind? His touch or lack thereof with the bounds of propriety in time-space and circumstance?   To examine this from a different perspective, we would like to suggest two different ways in which two UFC fighters in recent memory have dealt with the challenge or trauma of losing, namely Frank Mir and Rashad Evans.

Frank Mir

Frank Mir stranded on a head trip? A study in contrasts

Rashad Evans

Rashad Evans: Grounded in victory and defeat? You be the judge.

Legend: The story of Rashad Evans is very instructive of how fighters can handle a traumatic loss, because this is a guy who went into virtual hibernation after the shock and awe of his loss to Lyoto Machida in UFC 98. Evans who should never have given into the temptation of playing the cocky-punk-ass  because he doesn’t play a very convincing heel to begin with, had the extra feelings of embarrassment to deal with. His post-hibernation interview posted on Youtube is a riveting study in humility and soul searching. True, Evans’ drubbing was not crowned with eggregious ridicule and unsportmanlike showboating, but his unstinting inner focus is very instructive of a man who had reconnected with his inner man and responsibilities, regardless of what had happened to him. To say that Frank Mir could not have  found this inner focus, especially after Lesnar’s unsportsmanlike demonstrations,  is to absolve him of personal responsibility in a way that belittles  him as a man.

We do have a theory though: Frank found it hard to recover mentally or emotionally because by the time the fight rolled along, he had already invested  too much in the mental and emotional bet of trash talking – and that the trash talking may just have been motivated by his own fears of what Lesnar would do to him. Remember that Frank had tussled with Lesnar at UFC 81 and had a pretty good idea of the kind of power Lesnar had. Fighters have a special place for these kinds of memories.

Whichever way one analyzes this, it is clear that Frank never really recovered from the gambit he committed himself to after UFC 81. Our theory would more than explain why someone who had won that fight would resort to over-the-top  trash talking as the next fight approached.  The champion/interim champion issue doesn’t explain the ensuing back-and-forth that ended up with quite a bit of ill-feeling as UFC 100 would show.

Case closed? Hardly. We are just clearing our throats.  Come back in about 24 hours for the fleshing out of this theme. This latest outburst by Frank Mir shows that he is not reliably in touch with the bounds of propriety. This greatly diminishes his status within the MMA community. This is baggage Frank does not need. Beyond his a need to handle his octagon demons better, he is faced with the nearly insurmountable task of winning back the fan goodwill that was his for the taking prior  to UFC 81.

Coming up in this article:

  • What the heck was wrong with Mir’s statement and why he doesn’t seem to be getting it. See Ben Fowlkes article under “Appendices.”
  • Like Lesnar before him, he has frittered away his P.R. advantage – and for what?

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Appendices:

Frank Mir needs to learn to keep his mouth shut (Cyberaxis)

Mir can’t understand backlash to provocative Lesnar comments (Ben Fowlkes, Inside MMA)